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Second half Dougie was ripping Smith a new one,Until he was switched to the other wing then replaced.Baffling.

Let's not kid ourselves, R&W. We only survived last year because there were worse teams than us in the division. This season, it's probably Killy and us.

I have waited three hours to post, in the hope that, the red mist would have cleared and I see things clearer than I saw at SSS today. It has cleared, but the picture is still the same.

After today's capitulation by both the players and the managers tactics, in a game where we had them on the ropes for much of the second half, there is NO excuse for professional footballers missing as many golden chances as we had today. It's not bad luck,it's just down to a lack of ability in far too many players, who, after all are paid to put the ball in the back of the net.

With Kurakins apparently 'gone' but still in payment under contract, we are more exposed than ever in our defence. Only Gils stood out in his industry, and ability, but even he had the odd mistake, unsurprisingly with what was going on around him. Sarris just about got a pass mark, but Devlin, other than heading the ball aimlessly to any other of the 19 outfield players, is not a dependable defender by any stretch of the imagination. To have him as captain, with his very limited experience at this level, is another example of our managers inability to see the real picture on match day. For his own future, he should hand the armband back, and work on his game to vastly improve his own performance to a level of consistency, that presently is way below acceptable.

We have all said it, time and time again, nice guy MC may be, but whatever he is doing week by week at 'Training', it is not training defenders, midfielders, or forwards to blend into a team of even competent journeymen.

We don't even look like an acceptable Championship Team in the last two games. The Board of Directors will, as usual, see nothing.
From whom we will see goals coming, and stopping goalsleaking at the other end, heaven knows. With the significant increase today in new bodies on seats, probably new season ticket holders, we have to offer them much more than performances like this, to keep their interest up, and their future repeat business.

Both Matthews and Gils earned their wages today. IMO few if any others did.
Rant over

Disappointing result but the performance was neither disgraceful or shocking as described by some on Accies Twitter and I'm not sure tactically what Canning could of done better with the squad at his disposal although I would of liked to see Roy on 5 minutes earlier, however we now have entered the hyperbole zone where every defeat is a disaster, fans sing for the manager's head after 60 seconds of the new season and if a potential signing decides to sign on elsewhere then the Club is a joke - I wonder if this is how it feels to support one of the ugly sisters?

We do have some frustrating issues that never seem to be rectified like the bad habit of shipping goals in twos and for what must be at least 4 seasons in a row having no sufficient cover at either full back position and these things cost us today with almost all Killie's threat coming down Lyon's flank. Hopefully McMann will be back shortly and another LB will be signed for cover and although I've no issue with Gillespie at RB and would like to see him given the chance to develop into that position it would be good to get some specialist cover.

Today was a bit of a hard luck story, missing chances, hitting the post late on and on another day Killie would of been reduced to 10 men (I thought their winner had a hint of offside about it too) but today was the type of day that if you let it continue gets you relegated. Not giving up hope yet but need to get the things that are clear to everyone sorted.

Yummy Fur wrote:Disappointing result but the performance was neither disgraceful or shocking as described by some on Accies Twitter and I'm not sure tactically what Canning could of done better with the squad at his disposal although I would of liked to see Roy on 5 minutes earlier, however we now have entered the hyperbole zone where every defeat is a disaster, fans sing for the manager's head after 60 seconds of the new season and if a potential signing decides to sign on elsewhere then the Club is a joke - I wonder if this is how it feels to support one of the ugly sisters?

Can't disagree with this. Canning got it spot on at Ibrox, and it looked like he got it spot on today... Right up until the 70th minute. Before then, we attacked Killie with pace and gave them loads of problems down their flanks. Canning can't really be blamed for the awful finishing or the fact we don't have any full-backs.

BBC WEB SITE; Hamilton player-manager Martin Canning: "I thought we were the better team from start to finish. I thought we played good football, created lots of opportunities but we didn't take them and we conceded sloppy goals and it's a bad mix.

"But it's hard to be critical of the players because for large parts of the game we were totally comfortable and very much on top. If we'd taken one of our opportunities and got the second goal I think the game would have been done.

"(Richard Roy) is through on goal and he should score and then Ali Crawford bends in the free kick but it comes back off the post. You've just got to put it down to one of those days.

"I also thought there was a potential second yellow for William Boyle. I thought there was a foul on Greg Docherty in the corner but those things maybe go against you on days like this as well."

Guys be honest, we got caught with Dougie Imrie trying to defend against their only footballing threat their number 11 Jordan Jones. He was a menace first half and for the equaliser and he got 1v1 on him and delivered to Boyd for 1v1.

Crawford had a huge chance where he could've took a touch but great technique and great save but Docherty and Roy through chances were awful. I'm no MC fan but he can't be the blame for lack of ability when faced with a 1v1

Big Wurzil wrote:Guys be honest, we got caught with Dougie Imrie trying to defend against their only footballing threat their number 11 Jordan Jones. He was a menace first half and for the equaliser and he got 1v1 on him and delivered to Boyd for 1v1.

Crawford had a huge chance where he could've took a touch but great technique and great save but Docherty and Roy through chances were awful. I'm no MC fan but he can't be the blame for lack of ability when faced with a 1v1

But you can blame him for bringing in the duds who miss the chances! Jason Scotland ex wife's new man ! What you could not make it up!

Stinks of another cheep ass punt! His wife is very happy that he is in Scotland!

Good to see more measured comments than the hysteria we often see on here after a defeat.

I agree 100% with Martin Canning's comments quoted above.

In the cold light of morning I still can't quite believe we lost that game. I genuinely feel we wuz robbed. The performance was good, apart from our shocking finishing. We were much better than against Morton on Tuesday night. If we can add goals to the mix we'll be fine. I reckon at least one of the Highland clubs will be fighting relegation this season, along with Killie, and perhaps others.

We do need to sort out the full back positions - glaring weaknesses - and settle on our best striker (is that really D'Acol?)

Willie Wastle wrote:Good to see more measured comments than the hysteria we often see on here after a defeat.

I agree 100% with Martin Canning's comments quoted above.

It is indeed - but time for some perspective from the constant doom mongers who spent last year with opinions that they dressed up as facts - 'we were already down, all the players are rubbish and the club wants relegated etc etc' Survival was met by mostly silence from the #acciesbad people who now think we should all just forget about the absolute rubbish they spouted last year and we should take them seriously with their same opinions after only 2 league games.

Lots to be concerned about and to be critical of. The #acciesbod mob love the stats that suit them; that we are trying to stay in the top flight for the 4th season for the fist time since the 1930s, under the wider team at the club that is the only one to keep us in the top flight at all in the same time scale is the perspective that they lack or ignore.

Fans were rightly sceptical regarding Roy - this is a player the club don't even have faith in with a 6 month deal and not even starting him when he is the only striker available on Tuesday. That was crystallised with a total sitter missed.

Re the Highland clubs, Inverness have had a poor start but Ross County had a striker score a hat trick yesterday. We would settle for a striker scoring one in a game.

Surely it has to be two up front? Correct me if I'm wrong but did we not get a couple of wins late last season playing two up. Dundee (home) I think was one.

Our 5-3-2 was fairly effective last season. However, we don't have enough CBs to play that role. I'd happily see Imrie play the LWB role again - he was excellent there in his two games against Dundee. I also think Brophy and D'Acol can form a good partnership, and I reckon our midfield trio of Crawford, Docherty and Donati can be pretty successful (though Donati has just seemed to regress as time goes on).

Donati only pulled the finger out after we went behind yesterday. I think Canning sets us up every game to fear the opposition. Sitting back to keep it tight and maybe nick an odd goal. Donati is sitting just on the back 4 and dropping back to cover. He's playing too deep. We should be pushing and driving through teams like Kilmarnock but give them all too much respect. It's like telling the players that they aren't good enough. Compared to Neil who demanded that we get in about teams and go for the win. Canning plays for a draw. It's defeatist.

ONE home win in 16 League games as a poster said on WAH.Has there ever been a worse run by an Accies Manager?

For a bit of perspective,Killie have won more games at NDP than us in that period.A Killie team who were rotten last season and worse this.

That is the perspective that matters:not ifs,buts,maybes and excuses.Bottom line is we crumble when we concede after leading.Sides know we have no fighting spirit.

Under the previous Manager,the fans used to sing "We're Hamilton Accies,we never give up".Now unless,it is pub teams,we "always give up".

YeOldeHamiltonian wrote:ONE home win in 16 League games as a poster said on WAH.Has there ever been a worse run by an Accies Manager?

While that statistic does look grim, you have to keep in mind that Canning is unique in that he is the only manager we've had that has exclusively served us in the top flight. All other managers have managed us in the second tier, which skews the numbers. Also, with the exception of Alex neil, no manager has provided much success in the top flight for us - although Reid did have one decent season.

Want to see an unsuccessful manager? I'd look at Lambie's win % for us in the top flight...

The worst bit about yesterday and indeed the season so far is that all expectations and goals are set around survival and staying in the top flight. We will have good weeks and bad weeks and we will compete. We may stay up or we may not , I think we will have enough to do so but it will be frustrating. It's the same every year. I actually hate being in the premier league, only 2 teams can ever win it and the rest are chasing fairy dust from the start. No real point to my post just a bit apathetic to extreme reactions either way as it's going to be a very similar season as the last few.

WILF wrote:The worst bit about yesterday and indeed the season so far is that all expectations and goals are set around survival and staying in the top flight. We will have good weeks and bad weeks and we will compete. We may stay up or we may not , I think we will have enough to do so but it will be frustrating. It's the same every year. I actually hate being in the premier league, only 2 teams can ever win it and the rest are chasing fairy dust from the start. No real point to my post just a bit apathetic to extreme reactions either way as it's going to be a very similar season as the last few.

Agreed this is why it makes me mad when we rest players in cup games! No ambition apart form trying to survive. This is a misrabale existence for the fans.

Moaning about only surviving in the top flight would indeed be a first world problem to Accies fans from the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and 90s. Consider their miserable existence for some perspective. #accies bad

He has a point about the cups. I'm already preparing for our Scottish Cup exit this season at Dumbarton.

Some fans have lamented about this cup run thing so much that it's become an actual thing ffs. No team has any right to just get to a semi or final of a cup just because the fans haven't experienced it or that it's so easy to do if you play your strongest 11. Get a grip! There would also be nothing worse for me than getting to a semi or god forbid a final and getting beat. I don't get how it would be fulfilling to anyone. It would be great to win a cup absolutely but chances are slim I'd say. I used to roll up loads of pairs of socks and kick them about the living room and use the couch as goals, pretending I was playing for Accies against Barcelona in the European cup final then I grew up! Dreams are smashing but that's all they are.

It's only us and Morton since 1980. I'd be gutted to lose a semi, of course I would, but at least that monkey would be off our backs.