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Postby redandwhite1874 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:23 pm

Started decently enough and got the goal but then gradually got worse thro to the end. Not enough creativity; but really that is no surprise with Daz and Gregg in front of Gills. Gregg took his goal well but then faded badly; Lyon surely has shown he is not currently good enough, totally anonymous and gives his head to head opponent an easy game every week.

Brophy and Imrie were best for us but as has been pointed out Kurtaj faded more quickly than usual after he made the goal. Unfortunately his replacement Redmond was perhaps worse. But not enough imagination or real will to go for a goal for most of the game were the main problems here.

The new guy is unfit, overweight, not match fit, is a stranger to the clubs and team mates and is not used to the surface and yet he comes off the bench ?????????? :shock: Meanwhile the other 'great hopes' of D'Acol and Diaby are not even good enough to get any chance to fail.
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Postby The Bajan Bandit » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:30 pm

Canning is not judged on results so it does not really matter to him if we win or lose , he knows he can carry on being a kiddy-on manager , reel out the same old cliches every week , nice trip for him tomorrow up to Dundee to watch the derby , sitting with his peers thinking he is a one of them , when only reason he is kept in the job , is he will do what he is told , "hear Martin , have a biscuit , paw , good doggie" .
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Postby yuggyboy » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:13 pm

Gutted. I really thought we would get something from this game. Thistle are no great shakes but they are big and know how to play a ref! So after a great start we start to hit high balls to Brophy, who just got knocked of the ball. Then we start to make mistakes in defence - the two goals were shocking. Why not put on Diaby or D'Acol? Why Redmond? - Oh, another small guy! And then our new signing - not fit yet gets some game time!

McKinnon was poor and Grant's distribution was shocking at times - but we still should have taken something from that game!

Folks - it was there to move away from Kilmarnock but we blew it.
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Postby Bomber Harris » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:57 pm

Just total utter garbage from that shower of jobby playing in the hoops. Just horrible to watch. That stupid eejit that stands all game with his arms folded all game, clueless as what to do is actually the one that needs the reality check here. Please Martin go home tonight take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself the question. Am I really a football manager? Take the reality check and be truthful because your not. Btw Devlin motm ffs that was just ripping the piss
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Postby glasgow accie » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:15 pm

Only one team in it at the end .....can't imagine when we will win our next game...... :cry:
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Postby Alexander the Great » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:52 pm

Killie game after the split is massive and we will have to get that killer second goal if we do get a lead because we seem incapable of making a comeback if we do go down, I have never seen a bunch of players with no fight since last time in premier with billy reids team
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Postby Accies73 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:30 pm

There are players in that team, Crawford for example who have downed tools and have no interest, that is down to the manager, his negative tactics, hoofing the ball back to front to a lone striker, a lone striker that doesnt have the ability to play that role. Canning is bloody hopeless. GET HIM OUT!
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Postby Willie Wastle » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:42 pm

Very disappointing.

When we 'scored' the 'goal' ruled offside - I assume it was off, it looked good, in fact great, from down the Sainsbury's end - we were in command of the game, and I thought we'd go on to win. I said at the time I'd be disappointed to take less than 3 points.

But this was a classic 'game of two halves', we may have dominated the first, but we were all over the place in the second half.

Thistle were there for the taking, and according to the BBC, their two goals were the only two efforts they had on target the whole game (first half they put a shot from the edge of the 6 yard box past the post, and it was offside anyway; second half they blasted one over the bar). Basically, we collapsed.

I thought we lined up correctly, and the substitutions were sound. We showed plenty of drive to get the ball forward, and at least in the first half plenty of resolution. But our passing was woeful throughout. Second half we did nothing in the final third of the pitch. And our defence was nowhere to be seen for either of their goals.

Points dropped. Expensive points dropped. If we do that in games after the split, we'll be in big trouble. We could have moved up to 9th and gone 8 clear of Killie, all but safe. Instead, we're getting sucked into a relegation battle.
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Postby Accies73 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:16 pm

The subs were sound?????? wtf?

Sound? bringing on 2 small midfielders when you are playing long balls back to front to a lone small forward??? Explain to me the value in those 2 coming on and what they contributed to.
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Postby Yummy Fur » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:31 pm

Willie Wastle wrote:I thought we lined up correctly, and the substitutions were sound.


Hard to disagree with this and despite the near hysterical reaction on here and social media every time Accies get beat the fact remains that since the Annan and Celtic debacles Canning has the team well set up and well organised. For at least the 3rd season in a row we have bizarrely found ourselves in the odd position that we have no specialist cover at either full back and on Saturday had to play a holding midfielder at right back and even worse switch our best player to play out of position at left back on the back of a suspension to Kurakins - whether this is Canning's fault or not is open to debate but my guess is that both crosses that led to the goals would of been shut down quicker if we had options in those areas.

On Saturday we started well but slowly reverted to that aimless punt up the park - was that Canning's tactics? I doubt it but it's standard practice for Accies now to see any confidence or belief drain away very quickly and especially at home. The most dis-heartening thing against Thistle was that final 6 or 7 minute after they scored where we showed no urgency or belief that we could ever get back in it. Danny Redmond and the paradox which is Gramoz Kurtaj must be grateful for the presence of Ali Crawford on a Saturday who takes all the fan's flak and divert from their lack of any effort or contribution (admittedly Kurtaj did set up the goal in his only meaningful contribution for weeks). As a fan of Crawford it does pain me to admit that recently he deserves the criticism, on Saturday at best he had zero confidence and at worst zero interest. Getting Crawford back playing well is a priority if we want to stay up when Crawford plays well then Accies play well. We desperately need some leaders on the park to either encourage Ali or give him a boot up the backside - recently I've seen neither.

I'm sure that this will be seen as a stout defence of Martin Canning - but it really isn't. Having a manager that can organise and put the right team out (I think Canning does this most of the time) is almost a given but having a manager who can instill confidence, drive belief and get the very best out of players is what separates the good managers from the average and from all evidence I don't think Canning is clueless just average. Unfortunately with Accies resource (yes I've said it because it's true) we need a manager better than average if we are to survive in the top league.

The Accies board are now in an awkward position in that they didn't replace Canning after Annan & Celtic because they now have a manager who like it or not is achieving the objective set at the beginning of the season which was to avoid relegation and whose sacking could now be argued to be unfair, however McDonald, Gray & Maitland are football men first and foremost and I don't believe for a moment that they are happy with what they are seeing or think that they have the right man to get the best out of their resource going forward and the expensively produced talent which appears to be coming down the tracks.
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Postby Bomber Harris » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:18 pm

Yummy Fur wrote:
Willie Wastle wrote:I thought we lined up correctly, and the substitutions were sound.


Hard to disagree with this and despite the near hysterical reaction on here and social media every time Accies get beat the fact remains that since the Annan and Celtic debacles Canning has the team well set up and well organised. For at least the 3rd season in a row we have bizarrely found ourselves in the odd position that we have no specialist cover at either full back and on Saturday had to play a holding midfielder at right back and even worse switch our best player to play out of position at left back on the back of a suspension to Kurakins - whether this is Canning's fault or not is open to debate but my guess is that both crosses that led to the goals would of been shut down quicker if we had options in those areas.

On Saturday we started well but slowly reverted to that aimless punt up the park - was that Canning's tactics? I doubt it but it's standard practice for Accies now to see any confidence or belief drain away very quickly and especially at home. The most dis-heartening thing against Thistle was that final 6 or 7 minute after they scored where we showed no urgency or belief that we could ever get back in it. Danny Redmond and the paradox which is Gramoz Kurtaj must be grateful for the presence of Ali Crawford on a Saturday who takes all the fan's flak and divert from their lack of any effort or contribution (admittedly Kurtaj did set up the goal in his only meaningful contribution for weeks). As a fan of Crawford it does pain me to admit that recently he deserves the criticism, on Saturday at best he had zero confidence and at worst zero interest. Getting Crawford back playing well is a priority if we want to stay up when Crawford plays well then Accies play well. We desperately need some leaders on the park to either encourage Ali or give him a boot up the backside - recently I've seen neither.

I'm sure that this will be seen as a stout defence of Martin Canning - but it really isn't. Having a manager that can organise and put the right team out (I think Canning does this most of the time) is almost a given but having a manager who can instill confidence, drive belief and get the very best out of players is what separates the good managers from the average and from all evidence I don't think Canning is clueless just average. Unfortunately with Accies resource (yes I've said it because it's true) we need a manager better than average if we are to survive in the top league.

The Accies board are now in an awkward position in that they didn't replace Canning after Annan & Celtic because they now have a manager who like it or not is achieving the objective set at the beginning of the season which was to avoid relegation and whose sacking could now be argued to be unfair, however McDonald, Gray & Maitland are football men first and foremost and I don't believe for a moment that they are happy with what they are seeing or think that they have the right man to get the best out of their resource going forward and the expensively produced talent which appears to be coming down the tracks.


Most of this I actually agree with. Crawford is needing to sit in the stand just now. His head is defo messed up with only he knows. McDonald, Gray & maitland or not football men. There business men and why would they throw money at paying off there mistake of an experiment. Now onto Martin. He is nowhere near average. He is well below that. 51games 11 wins 14 draws 26 lost a win rate of 21% is dire not average. If the three on the board that you mentioned where football men as you put it Canning would of been out the club months ago.
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Postby Red and white hoops » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:21 pm

Win killie losing earlier this was a big big opportunity to pull further away, a point would even been a good result for us.

I thought we played well for the first twenty minutes then seemed to fall back into hoofball again. no other manager at no other club would get away with his record. Imo the board have to come out and make some sort of statement as to our ambition as a club. Is the plan to go down (possibly to blood more young players) or do we want to stay up? At least then we would know. If the club don't want us to win, why should we bother going?
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Postby YeOldeHamiltonian » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:52 am

Bringing on two small midfielders against a physical side when chasing the game was another in a long line of terrible substitutions.This was compounded by refusing to utilise a striker as the third sub.

We have watched 12 games here of no wins and watched mediocre sides like Killie,Thistle and Motherwell despatch with maximum points.Good players are becoming bad and limited players are reverting back to terrible players.

Now,according to the Daily Ranger,it is the fans who are to blame.Funny that,the only Canning shouts came at 2-1.If you analyse it,the Accies fans have been more than patient,excessively so.Any criticism in general has been via Social Media/the Internet.At the games,the fans have been generally supportive in the face of so many,many disappointments.

Fans of every other club in the country are looking on aghast and laughing at how Martin Annan still retains his job.Every week brings new cliches and now the club seem to have trained their pets in the media to spin the old "small club,small budget,punching above our weight" pish........just as well Alex Neil never had this defeatist attitude.

Annan 4-1,Celtic Park 8-1,12 home games without a win(must be our record run surely),14 months of watching a side going from fighting for a place in Europe to a team of "cheese eating surrender monkeys-sorry Frenchies- and weekly hoofball,mesmirising substitutions and a side who as soon as we concede cave in....sorry the fans deserve better than this.
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Postby Willie Wastle » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:58 am

I'm always bemused by the thinking that the only way to score a goal or change a game is to stick on another striker.

Kurtaj was rotten on Saturday, and had been booked. Replacing him with another attacking midfielder, Crawford, was such an obvious move those around me called it just after half time. Redmond can also represent an attacking threat, so was worth bringing on, again like-for-like with Docherty. Maybe Canning should have rolled the dice nearer the end, when we were chasing the game, but I assume he wanted to give Kemy some game time - if he's to make a difference in this relegation fight, he needs to get match-sharp fast.

There was plenty wrong on Saturday, but I don't think use of subs was one of those things.
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Postby judgeflash » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:22 pm

Another defeat. Another 2 goals condeeded from crosses. Honestly, we must have the most goals conceded via crosses in the country.
For those defending Canning, if you're MANAGER of a team and the team are doing a certain method of play, it is YOUR job to get them to change those tactics. Another reason having a goalkeeper as captain is stupid, he can't relay messages as well as a centre mid could for example.
As with nearly every week Dougie and Ziggy seem to be the only ones giving it their all.
Gillespie and Mackinnon had some of the worst passing I've seen since Simon Mensing had a ball at his feet.
Ali was one of my picks for a scotland call up 18 months ago, now i'd like to see him spend some time on the bench till he's better.
Brophy up front receiving high balls is beyond a joke, we no longer have a MAC who can win the high balls and try and hold it up, again, this goes back to my point that the manager NEEDS to influence the play he wants to see.
Also, new signing? Looks like he's got the lungs of a 40 a day smoker just now. STOP signing players who aren't fit ffs. Especially at crucial points in a season.

I'm sure we're all getting really sick of watching terrible football, terrible results, against terrible teams that we could beat.
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Postby redandwhite1874 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:17 pm

Crawford always an easy target. He causes various opinions but one thing is certain - Ali is more than capable at this level, He might not produce every week but he has it and therefore he should start when fit - he is the best we have for that position. People happy to identify that we are playin the long ball and that Crawford isn't performing; but somehow fail to think the 2 might be linked?

Along with guys like Dougie, McGovern, Ziggy they need to stay in the team time now as they have proven themselves well capable and there is no one better than them at the club. Below that guys like Daz, gills, Lucas, Delin, Kurtaj are likely to be the best we have so lets finish the season with our best team and not picking and dropping on a week to week basis.
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Postby Yer Sisters Yer Maw » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:39 pm

At this stage of the season when we're fighting against relegation we need battlers in the middle of the park and Crawford just isn't that type of player. He's ineffective when we're not playing the short passing game on the deck even though he's probably the best passer in the team.
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Postby redandwhite1874 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:24 pm

Yer Sisters Yer Maw wrote:At this stage of the season when we're fighting against relegation we need battlers in the middle of the park and Crawford just isn't that type of player. He's ineffective when we're not playing the short passing game on the deck even though he's probably the best passer in the team.

Battlers and park the bus will create very little (not sure what battlers would comprise your midfield 5?). There seems to be widespread condemnation of how we are playing (defensive and long ball) but in contradiction to that we want to leave out our most creative player. The answer is surely, back to playing on the deck, 451 and pick our best and creative players in balance will the odd battler?
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Postby redandwhite1874 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 7:58 pm

Ali in the U20s tonight. Match fitness and form related, hopefully.
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Postby Hooper » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:00 pm

redandwhite1874 wrote:Ali in the U20s tonight. Match fitness and form related, hopefully.


He was more or less invisible he should be strolling these games sadly not even close
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